12月分全部三个是第一弹~~~~官方BLOG是这样说的

哦，那还要等。。。。。。

gamefaqs上有个哥们拿到日文官方攻略了，他说官方攻略上说增加习得arcana或者其他特殊技的概率可以参照如上的条件……

又看到最强大的class的习得方法

Holy Order - Weapon Arts + 5 / Safety / Commander ( Not sure what the other 2 do)
Require weapon arts in Sword, Katana, Axe, Hammer, Glaive. 74 Str

High Wizard - Mystic Extra Hit +5/ Mystic Arts + 4/ Dmg AP Charge + 3 / Mystic Attack Focus
Master both Invocation and Evocation and 61 Int

Warlock - Arcana + 5 / Dmg AP Charge + 4 / Safety / Mystic Arts + 3
Learn all 5 Arcana, 74 Int

Paladin - Physical Def + 5 / Mystical Def + 5 / Defender
High usage in Both Item Arts and Mystic Arts, Master Psionics, 61 Str and Int

Terra Knight - Dual Power Grip + 5/ Weapon Arts + 4/ Counter
High usage of Dual Power Grip and 1 Handed weapons and arts, Only Sovani, 68 Str and Int

Assassin - Weapon Arts + 5/ Spd + 4/ Back Guard
Use a lot of Mystic and Item Arts, 1 Handed Weapon and arts, 68 Str and Int

我再刷盗贼练技能的时候，原本也有这种想法。所以故意压低hp。但是效果并不明显。。。。。

5个洞果然特殊职业。。。。。其实各系魔法还算好学，就是要发动太rp了

这5个洞就交给cao版了:绿脸贱笑:兔脸红:

A9有人把魔女的三个洞都搞了，还差两洞，五洞都搞我这个记录是不行了……又没有精力重来一次……等PC版吧……

那不是我么:呆猴:
ffpffp=幻象:绿脸贱笑:兔吐舌头:

拿一把功低防高的武器，单人刷40个盗贼就能把出洞需要的魔法技能学全了（其实只要每类最初级魔法的V级）

所有的阵型：

Melee Stance - No advanced Formations
Cup of Celapaleis - No advanced Formations
Counteroffensive - No advanced Formations
Stacked Attack - No advanced Formations
Raider's Fork - Marauder's Glaive (Enchance Unique Arts)
Chariot - No advanced Formations
Whirlpool - Maelstrom (Effective vs Skydragon) - Hurrican (Further improve Weapon Arts)
Hangman's Noose - No advanced Formations
Hourglass - ? Not in guide
Vanguard - No advanced Formations
Arch - No advanced Formations
Arrow of Arthlum - No advanced Formations
Wings of Nagapur - No advanced Formations
Pincer Grip -> Talon's Clutch (Better stats, no effect) -> Claw's Grasp (Highly effective against dragons)
Wedge -> Chisel (Just more stats) -> Matlock (Enhance ??)
Wave Crest -> Riptide (Better Stats)
Leash -> Lariot (Effective vs Mystic Fiends)
Hill and Vale - No advanced Formations
Skirmish Cross - No advanced Formations
Scorpion - No advanced Formations
Needle - Spike (Enhance Piercing Attack)
Rattail -> Foxtail (Effective Against Occult) -> Dragontail (Enhanced Armed Attack)
Trident - ? Not in guide
Battle Crown - No advanced Formations (JP guide said effective against dragons)
Mystical Mountain -> Wroth Volcano (Just stats up in JP guide)
Pentacle - No advanced Formations
Cascade - Avalanche (Improve Evocation)
Tiger's Den -> Lion's Den (Improve Hex)
Orb - No advanced Formations
Box - Cage (Enchance Shards)
Crossbow - No advanced Formations
Warhorse - Destrier (Enchance Evocation)
Prism - Obelisk (Better Stats) -> Pyramid (Further Improve Mystic Arts)
Flame - No advanced Formations
Candle - No advanced Formations
Comet - ? Not in Guide
Horns of Undelwalt - - No advanced Formations
Hawk Eye - Bulls Eye (Improve defense against Explosives)
Picket Fence -> Barbed Wall (Enchance Maul Defense)
Terrapin -> Tortoise (Better Stats) -> ??? (Improved defense against Piercing)
Blizzard -? Not in Guide
Slingshot - No advanced Formations
Anchor of Celapaleis - No advanced Formations
Vampire - No advanced Formations
Mystic Shield - Force Shield (Increase mystic defense) - Spell Wall (Increase mystic defense)
Glove - Gauntlet (Enhance Defense against ?? )
Draw Bridge - No advanced Formations
Pendant - No advanced Formations
Mystic Henge - ? Not in guide
Pendulum - No advanced Formations
Mast of Nagapur - No advanced Formations
Belt - No advanced Formations
Unicorn - Pegasas (Increase stats and movement spd)
Whip -> Lash (improve atk, mystic attack and movement spd) -> Flail (further improve atk, mystic atk and movement spd)
Bait and Hook - ?? (Better stats)
Juggernaut - No advanced Formations
Snakebite - - No advanced Formations
Jewel of Undelwalt - No advanced Formations
Church Bell - No advanced Formations
Casket - SickBed (Improve Remedies)
Basket -> Sachel (Improve Buff Duration)
Batwings - No advanced Formations

每个Leader的属性不同，因此形成的阵型也不同，Gamefaqs是这么解释的：

Pincer Grip requires:
Lv 1 Nothing
Lv 2 1 Mitra, 2 P
Lv 3 2 Mitra, 3 P, 1 S

Talon Clutch requires
Lv 1 2 Mitra, 3 P, 2 S
Lv 2 3 Mitra, 3 P, 2 S, 1 Union Leader without S attribute
Lv 3 4 Mitra, 3 P, 2 S, 1 Union Leader without S attribute

Claw's Grip requires
Lv 1 5 Mitra, 3 P, 3 S, 1 Union Leader without S Attribute
Lv 2 5 Mitra, 4 P, 3 S, 1 Union Leader without S Attribute
Lv 3 5 Mitra, 5 P, 4 S, 1 Union Leader without S Attribute

所有有文字背景介绍的Leader情况，可以不用看日文版了，回头我会翻译，先摘下来：

Rush - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - A
Morale: B, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Can learn all combat arts, mystical arts and item arts.
Can learn Many WA from various weapons

Baulson- Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Agility
Balanced Route - Superlative Glaive
Physical Route - Shielding Glaive
Mystical Route - Enchanted Glaive
WA - Heaven's Gate
Can Learn Remedies, Herbs and Potions

David - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superior Bluesteel/Divine Buckler or FrostBlade Virtutis
Physical Route - Superior Bluesteel/Divine Buckle or FrostBlade Virtutis
Mystical Route - Superior Bluesteel/Divine Buckle or FrostBlade Virtutis
WA - Snowbind
Unique Art - Ex Machina
Conjuration - Gae Bolg
Can Learn Remedies, Herbs, Invocation and Shards

Torgal - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Gremory Dominus
Physical Route - Halpas Dominus
Mystical Route - Gremory Dominus
WA - Hawkarang with Physical, Cerulian Rain with Balanced or Mystic
Can Learn Evocation, Potions, Psionics

Pagus - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Wand
Physical Route - Shielded Wand
Mystical Route - Enchanted Wand
WA - Daisy Chain, Magalore (From Heartache)
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Remedies, Wards

Blockter - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Executioner
Physical Route - Might Executioner
Mystical Route - Rune Executioner
WA - None
Can Learn Herbs, Hex, Traps

Loki - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Scythe
Physical Route - Might Scythe
Mystical Route - Rune Scythe
WA - ?
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Hex

Caedmon - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery
Balanced Route - Buer Dominus
Physical Route - Buer Dominus
Mystical Route - Buer Dominus
WA - Heaven's Gate
Can Learn Evocation, Herbs, Remedies, Potions, Traps

Violet - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Imperial Staff at BR 70, Divine Sceptor at BR 75
Physical Route - Damacus Sceptor
Mystical Route - Prismatic Sceptor
WA - Imperial Staff WA (Wall - put up a magical shield)
Can Learn Hex, Remedies, Explosives

Gaberial - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Bluesteel/Superlative Soul Shield
Physical Route - Shielding Bluesteel/Shielding Soul Shield
Mystical Route - Enchanted Bluesteel/Enchanted Soul Shield
WA - Cerulian Rain, Soul Shield
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Potions, Lotions

Nora - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Recovery
Balanced Route - Superlative Blackjack
Physical Route - Shielding Blackjack
Mystical Route - Enchanted Blackjack
WA - Double Down
Can Learn Invocation, Hex, Lotions

Maddox - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Swordbreaker/Crystal Buckler
Physical Route - Superlative Swordbreaker/Crystal Buckler
Mystical Route - Superlative Swordbreaker/Crystal Buckler
WA - Swordbreak
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Hex, Remedies

Rhagol - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Scythe
Physical Route - Might Scythe
Mystical Route - Rune Scythe
WA - Swordbreak
Can Learn Hex, Remedies, Lotions

Leshu - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Morningstar
Physical Route - Shieding Morningstar
Mystical Route - Enchanted Morningstar
WA - DrillHammer
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Hex, Remedies

Glenys - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Taratachi
Physical Route - Shielding Taratachi
Mystical Route - Enchanted Taratachi
WA - Swordflash
Can Learn Evocation, Herbs, Remedies

Darian - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Pitchfork
Physical Route - Might Pitchfork
Mystical Route - Runepitchfork
WA - None
Can Learn Potions, Herbs, Lotions, Remedies

Emmy - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Nightbloom Virtutis/Superlative Bluesteel
Physical Route - Nightbloom Virtutis/Superlative Bluesteel
Mystical Route - Nightbloom Virtutis/Superlative Bluesteel
WA - SnowPetal
Unique Art - Hundred Flowers
Summon - Namul Niram
Can Learn Hex, Remedies, Traps

Roberto - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Highbrand
Physical Route - Shieding Highbrand
Mystical Route - Enchanted Highbrand
WA - Holy Win
Can Learn Invocation, Potions, Explosives

Goau - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Obsidian Virtutis
Physical Route - Obsidian Virtutis
Mystical Route - Obsidian Virtutis
WA - Multi Union Mystical WA
Can Learn Hex, Potions, Traps

Allan - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Gremory Dominus
Physical Route - Halpas Dominus
Mystical Route - Paimon Dominus
WA - Balanced -> Cerulian Rain, Physical - Hawkarang, Mystical - Demonsblow, however he seems unable to use WA
Can Learn Invocation, Hex, Explosives, Shards, Traps

Paris - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Divine Greatstaff
Physical Route - Damacus Greatstaff
Mystical Route - Prismatic Greatstaff
WA - None
Can Learn Invocation, Remedies, Traps

Jager - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Shievona Virtutis / If don't give him Glaive
Physical Route - Shievona Virtutis / If don't give him Poison Glaive
Mystical Route - Shievona Virtutis / If don't give him Poison Glaive
WA - Shievona
Unique Art - Beowolf
Summon - Lode Omen
Can Learn Pisonics, Explosive

Kate - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Scythe/Superlative Soul Shield
Physical Route - Might Scythe/Shielded Soul Shield
Mystical Route - Rune Scythe/Enchanted Soul Shield
WA - Soul Shield
Can Learn Evocations, Hex, Explosives

Sheryl - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Suerperlative Vace
Physical Route - Might Vace
Mystical Route - Rune Vace
WA - None
Can Learn Evocation, Hex, Lotions

Irina - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Suerperlative Vace
Physical Route - Might Vace
Mystical Route - Rune Vace
WA - None
Unique Arts - Omnistrike
Can Learn Lotions, Remedies, Psionics, Shards, Traps

Zolean - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Sacred Uchigatana
Physical Route - Muramasa
Mystical Route - Gem Uchigatana
WA - None
Can Learn Invocation,Evocation, Hex, Traps

Yunival - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Spear Type Huge Weapon (dunno name)
Physical Route - Shielded Spear Type Huge Weapon
Mystical Route - Enchanted Spear type Huge Weapon
WA - Huge Spear Weapon WA
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Potions

Duke of Ghor - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Bilqis Virtutis
Physical Route - Bilqis Virtutis
Mystical Route - Bilqis Virtutis
WA - Bel'kwinith's Fury
Can Learn Potions, Psionics

Sibel - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Imperial Spear at BR 70, Divine Pike at BR 75
Physical Route - Divine Pike
Mystical Route - Prismatic Pike
WA - None
Can Learn Invocations, Herbs, Lotions, Explosives

Haruko - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery
Balanced Route - Superlative Vace
Physical Route - Superlative Vace
Mystical Route - Superlative Vace
WA - None
Can Learn Invocation,Lotions, Remedies

Wyngale - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Halpas/Halpas Dominus
Physical Route - Halpas/Halpas Dominus
Mystical Route - Morax Dominus
WA - Swordflash - Mystical Route only
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Remedies, Psionics, Wards, Shards, Traps

Khrynia - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Demonblade
Physical Route - Shielding Demonblade
Mystical Route - Enchanted Demonblade
WA - Demonsblow
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Explosives, Shards

Leucuthius - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery
Balanced Route - Oriax Dominus
Physical Route - Gremory Dominus
Mystical Route - Paimon Dominus
WA - Balanced - Holy Win, Physical - Cerulian Rain, Mystical - Demonsblow
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Remedies, Psionics, Explosives

而且不要小看大众脸的Leader，

Elysion的Yamos的最终武器是Masterblade，据说拥有威力最大的武器特殊技。

Athlum 的Infili 使用两把Demon Blades.

Baltarosa的Saramis（圣平原大战之后），会问你要神祖皇帝系的武器Imperial Katana（Yama专用，你自己买来用不了的）……

以上都是gamefaqs的信息

不知道有没有人挑战最低br杀神，一般要啥掉10回合的神需要br90吧（据点这里浪费的br比较多，我错过杀神任务了）
br90以后加入的队长培养空间就非常有限了。杀忘却之翼，每次只能有6个人升级，杀到br100就只有3个人涨能力了（我培养魔女br从90-100，int才加了10点）

从游戏设计角度来讲，leader要了指定武器以后，学到的武器特殊技应该更强，不过现在的经验恰恰相反，所以应该还有研究空间。上面的数据应该是什么武器都不给，所学到的wa吧

油拖把里的lr视频都被删除了。。。
悲剧:内牛满面: :内牛满面: :内牛满面:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdAsI1JVAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSHobQS4ZSs

没有啊……

Rank 1: 在Ivory Peak杀掉Bloodthirsty Beast
要点：进门三只恐龙都在奔跑，而不是打瞌睡，不能有大眼球，翼龙或者Demon，位置在对着出口的大下坡处和几只fly在一起
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbVqqL_EvrQ

Rank 2：在Catacombs杀掉Sledgehammer
要点：进门之后到大厅，对面有一只蝴蝶（不能是珍惜蝴蝶，那只珍惜怪会在对面的左侧打瞌睡），不能是Chimera类的怪，然后来到东区，直走来到岔路左转，来到一间有qsiti族盗贼的房间右转进门就是了，不能有青蛙Glutton或者大甲虫在Y字岔路那里堵路（在刚进东区的某个房间里面也不能有青蛙或者甲虫，看到了就回跑或者读档吧）
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1bd5y9q_Y

Rank 3：在Aveclyff杀掉Whitehorn
要点：进门是蜘蛛Spider而不是树精，到大厅之后楼下广场有两条龙，然后左转去upper level东南角的房间，再往东走一间到下面中间那个房间检查有没有一只秃鹰在门口，如果有就读档，没有的话有一定机率Whitehorn会出现在 upper level的左上角房间，那个房间有一个宝箱（本帖网友纷纷表示刷此怪的经历十分痛苦）
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpLow5l3c8

Rank 4: 在Fornstrand杀掉Nightingale
要点：进门往前走几步如果看到有Vanargand（狼狗模样的怪）就会大地图重进，如果是Oarfish就再往前一点看看某个半岛形状的台上有没有秃鹰，而且地图上不能有普通的秃鹰而那种突然出现的乌贼怪，如果都没有也有可能是诅咒大鸟的稀有怪spawn了
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSLw-TL7SE8



全灭

lr的pc版公布。。。。。新增要素太美了

ラストレムント（PC　4月9日　8190円）
英語ボイスにできる
リーダーユニットの解放
バトル倍速モード搭載
武具のプレビュー機能追加
ベンチマークソフトと体験版配信予定。ベンチマークは1月30日から配信

leader上场人数不限，高速战斗模式
凭这两天，就可以再玩一遍了

leader人数破坏平衡性了，boss等于被虐……

今天想了一个高输出低风险的办法

union 1： Jager一个人或者其他高HP高STR高INT的leader也行
union 2： 魔法系leader1人带2-3魔法杂兵
union 3： 妹妹 + 治愈系杂兵3人
union 4： 极品输出队：主角带防沉默或者debuff-5回合饰品 + Caedmon + Glenys（或者飞斧剑雨leader，猫系大军等等） + 两个高攻高AP杂兵

因为vs 单个boss的multideadlock 3个就完了最后一个是flank，攻击力加成，而主角，Caedmon，Glenys的weapon arts不像Emmy和Jager这样是黄色，是消耗82AP的蓝色的，只要AP到了几乎就会发；这样第一回合攒AP第二回合30万输出不是梦，lost remnant两回合基本就可以搞定

大家可以试试，很牛逼……

操斑的这个思路我倒是早就在用了，很管用。现在我重新培养了女忍者，她的HP和力量居然巾帼不让须眉，比任何人都好用。用低等级打强大的多锁定系的Boss都是这么打比较容易。

我想PC版一定会增加Boss难度和AI，所以全体Leader也不用太担心吧。

其实对于我们来说，倒是有6个Leader的限制更加考验战术安排。

http://www.4gamer.net/games/039/G003971/20090129044/SS/009.jpg


看到这些头像你颤抖了么……

我顫抖了..........:肥雀寒:
給我可選擇更新吧:企鹅筛沙:

帧数也稳定，还能随便用LEADER，还有加速模式，可惜打材料练技能太废时间，不然PC版真想重玩一遍。。。
SE也行行好吧，360版赏一个leader patch＋新DLC做补偿吧。。。

官方blog说已经发布的三个DLC是第一弹，以后还会有的

我发现可以收50名同伴了，全人物培养美啊

360版就算可以上那么多人。。。。br太高，也来不及培养了

这游戏如果下载了dlc，存档就变为不可复制的

换了个硬盘，新的dlc看来玩不到了。。。。

br60就杀了神,一切看运气 使用武威阵强化到V阵LV3 打了一个晚上终于过了

这个游戏的Weapon Master系的工会任务，其实是可以省钱完成的，也就是雇佣特定的Leader，在升级过程中就会有这些武器。

我还没有发现Deathbringer和Deathmask的两个鱼人Leader，不过Lance of Longinius是Gaou这个鱼人自己会升级的（没升之前不要把Oblisian给他），Demonblade则是魔女自己有的，champion's lance则是雇佣Underwelt的大众脸Sean的武器，其它一堆武器都是小兵或者leader自己会升的。比起武器升级需要花的钱和找素材的时间，后期BR高了之后，雇个Leader要省力很多，打一仗＋进出城大法就可以了。

[ 本帖最后由 seablue 于 2009-2-9 14:44 编辑 ]

问题是有些任务比如制作mermaid malice，deathmask都不是某种武器的最高级啊……后期BR高了之后进出城一次貌似武器就变成最高级了……

那么就是BR80左右，确实，100以上的话，一下子就最高级了。

之前sea提过，通过使用扣boss魔法的技能， 来发展新的boss打法

上次看朋友打了炼狱门，又有些新的体会。

后期的单体隐藏boss，一般的难点就在于它能一回合多动，炼狱门一回合动3次，这就要求菜刀队的hp最好能有7500以上。我朋友只有一队hp上7000，其余3队5000左右。打得很艰苦，一直防守了十几个回合。突然发现炼狱门只会用普通攻击了。。。。此时的心情。。。。。

敌方和我方一样，ap是每回合恢复的，但是对于多动boss，他们的ap恢复不会特别高，一般仅供其一回合放一次绝招。所以如果我方的技能能够直接减boss的ap。。。。那么战斗将变得没有任何难度（boss的普通攻击基本没威胁）

朋友正在照着这个思路练人。。。相信很快会有实战报告

那个减AP的技能是啥啊……

Hex系的Cachiexa，金龙会用这种招式，AP归零还加强大的攻击力。

刷出来这招去打Lost Remnant，每回合开始照发全屏幕大招不误……不过对付白霸王这种应该比较有效……

我问问刷珍稀怪的问题，如果下载了DLC隐藏boss出现的地方，珍稀怪就刷不出了吗？比如勇士的城壁刷迷宫指轮lv2的那个怪，刷不出来啊

对，要先把右边斗技场里面Jhana皇家军团打败才会出

这是三连战，要小心
杂兵——>大车轮——>Jhana的国王王后带杂兵
主要考验血量，后两个都会全屏魔法，大车轮的攻击力很高

打大风车和炼狱门这种应该比较好，白霸王hp不够高。。。。。。

炼狱门ap不够以后，每回合开始和结束时的强制行动都取消了。。。。。

lr的pc版有新图了。。。。

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/0902200913490.jpg



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/09022009135531.jpg


看来7人众也可以加入。。。。头顶青天:悠嘻猴放炮:

附配置要求：

■ 最低配置：
? 系统：Windows XP SP 2 / Windows Vista SP 1
? CPU：Intel Core 2 Duo (2GHz) / AMD Athlon X2 (2GHz)
? 内存：1.5 GB Ram
? 显卡：NVIDIA GeForce 8600 VRAM 256 Mb
? 声卡：兼容Direct X 9.0c
? 容量：至少15 GB硬盘空间

■ Recommended System Requirements
? 系统：Windows Vista SP 1
? CPU：Intel Core 2 Duo (2.4GHz) / AMD Athlon X2 (2.4GHz)
? 内存：2 GB Ram
? 显卡：NVIDIA GeForce 8800 VRAM 512 Mo
? 声卡：兼容Direct X 9.0c
? 容量：至少15 GB硬盘空间

[ 本帖最后由 幻象 于 2009-2-20 09:39 编辑 ]

:企鹅捶地: :企鹅捶地: 怎么图片是德文版的……天空的霸者名字不错，哈哈

这个倒是，七人众本来人物建模都已经有现成了，这么加入，得来全不费功夫啊。SE果然擅长这一手……只是估计要想偷懒，只能像FF10一样，每个种族设一个强大的boss，又不用重新建模，又让玩家有挑战，几百万的HP，各种赖招……

除了丰富的新增要素之外，另外在PC版里还将队伍选单大幅改善，首先将战斗中部队角色所能使用的动作招式让玩家可以自由来切换，而且还让玩家可以依照角色不同切换战斗时的装备风格，像是玩家可以自由切换角色单手或是两手武器等等，配合动作招式技能的设定组合享受更加丰富的战斗乐趣。

补充一段。。。。这个也令人无限遐想啊

试玩版2月27日。。。。到时候就可以体验到了

强，收，谢！

发个简单评测~~

由于demo的偷跑。。。。能让我在27号准时玩上demo

众所周知，LR的360版在fami通的评分是38分，一度让很多人认为是ms塞了红包，不过实际游戏的素质也勉强能及得上这个高评分。
然而在360版中有不少的硬伤，我想这也就是当初少2分的原因吧。。。（也可能是红包不够大。。。）

demo版中体现出了游戏的2个重大改进：

1：小队长人数不限
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-38-04-15.jpg

这个不用多废话了。。。想想就爽


2：战斗加速功能
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-40-23-78.jpg

这个功能比想象中好用不少。首先，在战斗中可以在每回合开始随时切换是否要加速。
其次，由于加速后速度高到飞起。。。。因此可以同时切换是否需要自动按键。
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-41-26-23.jpg

很是体贴~~


3：战斗选单调节功能
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-36-22-67.jpg

360的原版中。。。。如果一个人物的技能过杂，那么他基本就是个废人了。。。。要啥没啥
在新系统中，所有系的技能都可以任意开关。。。。这实在是太美了

另外，还可以设定战斗风格
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-37-02-06.jpg





除了这些，还有不少的小改进：

1：br可以在菜单中显示了
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-33-00-15.jpg



2：武器可以看到造型
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-35-55-50.jpg



3：道具可以任意排序
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-38-33-92.jpg



4：钻地小子的速度大大加快
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-43-06-06.jpg



5：加入了新的leader角色

这里原来只能顾3个人
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-49-11-56.jpg


而且新加的人物还有介绍文字，也就是说会有他们的支线剧情
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-49-27-36.jpg





试玩版可以去不少地方。。。
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/FFPFFP/the%20last%20remnant/TLRDemo2009-02-2623-50-24-23.jpg


有爱的可以下下来试试看，亲身体验更完美的系统~期待神作的降临~~
附上官网网址：http://www.square-enix.co.jp/remnant/pc/index.html

[ 本帖最后由 幻象 于 2009-2-27 00:25 编辑 ]

还是那句话，没了小队长上限boss不变强的话，这么好的系统就浪费了……

加速我感觉区别不大啊

面包会有的。。。。

画面上显示on。。。。其实加速是关着的。。。。。

开了以后，速度绝对飞起。。。。画面则降到ps2水平。。。。。

總覺得這樣搞很破壞平衡
編隊要考慮的東西少了很多:绿脸贱笑:兔打哈欠:

我觉得反倒是原有的系统随机性太高，使得游戏难度不能太大。

比如如果boss每5回合释放一次全屏必杀，需要玩家在之前套上魔法免疫的盾。

要在一个会了30-50多个技能的角色身上拼rp出现某个特定技能，基本不现实。

而现在的概率可以提高到5选1或者7选1

太随机了当然不好，不过具体到底好不好，完全是看数据调整，等出来再说吧