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标题:WII版大神结局制作人名单被砍
时间:08-05-01 21:37
作者:爱姿病

一下来自原CLOVER的成员的一篇BOLG。
我没玩过PS2版,WII版也只玩到了2/3的流程,就算通关了我也是没机会看到了这段制作人用心良苦制作的结局.
文章大概说,每一个参与了的人,都希望看到自己的名字出现在游戏制作人名单里,并且辛苦做出来的结局动画,就这样被砍.并列举了鬼泣,生化,红侠乔伊等游戏结局动画制作的过程.

而COPCOM的回复是这样的
The credits were removed because they were a pre-rendered movie that contained the Clover logo. We have no legal right to use the Clover logo in a game they were not involved with directly. We also didn't have the source to the credit movie itself, so we couldn't just use it and remove the Clover logo.

因为动画里包含了CLOVER的LOGO在里面,他们已经没有权使用,然后直接去除CLOVER的LOGO又是不合法的,所以只能全部砍掉...

当制作者和厂商高层理念分离的时候,分道扬镳也许只能是最后的结局....
Kamiya here.

The other day, I was surfing the net looking at some sites and I was a bit shocked and disappointed by what I found... Apparently, in Okami for the Nintendo Wii, released last week in the US, the staff credits after the ending have been cut from the game. The fan comments that I read were in English, so I wasn’t sure if I was misunderstanding things, but our localization staff checked into the issue and confirmed it as fact.

I don’t know the details behind why the staff roll was cut... But what do you all think about the issue? I’m not disappointed because my name was removed from the game. Of course, we all have pride in our work; we all want to stand up and say “I made this!” Yet more importantly, I find it extremely regrettable that the omoi that went into the staff roll is gone from the game as well. (Translator's note: The Japanese word - 想い – omoi – is best defined as a combination of thoughts, emotions, and messages. I’ve left it in Japanese as I feel it better suits Kamiya-san’s intentions.)

It takes a great deal of time and energy to complete a game. The more difficult the challenges a player faces, the greater their sense of accomplishment at the end. Players who complete a game want to feel this sense of accomplishment, whether it is because the game was difficult or simply because the journey was long. In Okami’s case, I did my best to lower the level of difficulty in battle; however, as the majestic adventure itself requires 20-30 hours, and you can spend even more time devoted to the game, it is clear that completing Okami is no simple task. Of course, not everyone will reach the ending, so players who do should what the staff roll filled with this omoi. That is why every game that I’ve guided does not end by simply introducing the staff, but ends full of this special omoi that bring a sense of closure to the game.

In Resident Evil 2, the Zapping System gave way to two different endings, a Sub-Ending and a Main Ending, and each of these endings was accompanied by a completely different kind of music. The Sub-Ending featured a ballad meant to signify the healing of the main character after their battle ends. The Main Ending played against a valiant rock song meant to praise users for their mastery of the game. Even though they were simply credits, they were meant to wash players in the emotions of their post-game experience.

Devil May Cry’s staff roll came along with advances in technology that allowed us to play video with the credits (something I had wanted to do with Resident Evil 2 but gave up on because of compression artifacts), so I changed the video along with the music. The beginning of the credits sequence, coming directly after Trish and Dante head off towards a new fight, is a video of the hero and heroine in a balletic display of martial prowess matched to an uptempo track. This crossfades into a gentle choral song in the second half, as the video transitions to images of the sea based upon the idea of motherly love found in Devil May Cry’s story.

Viewtiful Joe’s credits were like a curtain call, meant to intertwine with the game’s theme of movies and the incredible events that took place within. It came from the idea that within the game, your friends were your friends and your enemies your enemies, but once everything came to a close, one and all were friends! Thus it was like a wrap party, introducing the cast along with a medley of each stage’s music. Since the game had elements of comedy, we wanted people to feel how much fun we had making the game via the credits.

Finally, we arrive at Okami. Since I’m sure there are plenty of people who will still be playing Okami, I won’t go into specific details... However, it was the first time for us to make a long adventure, and so the staff roll was filled with all of the omoi appropriate for the end of a long journey. Of course, these weren’t just my omoi. They were the omoi of everyone who worked on the project, put together in a moment of bliss held out just for those who completed the journey. It was a special staff roll for a special moment. And now it is gone. All of it. ...It’s incredibly disappointing and sad.

Not just in Okami’s case, but with all the games we make... I want as many people to play them as possible. Everything is for the players who are kind enough to play our work. That’s the feeling we carry with us as we go about the business of creating games. Even though I have absolutely no interest in the business of gaming (apologies to my bosses), a user’s joy is a creator’s joy, and having more joyful users is always better. If you can prove a game’s worth, and get it into the hands of many gamers, this should lead to sales and a greater contribution to the company at large... Right? (If I’m wrong... apologies to my bosses!)
Even if we don’t see the results right away, we know that when our spirit shines through, the flower of success will bloom. Then everyone, the creators, the players, and the businessmen, will all be happy. To me, that is the ideal.

I wonder who could have possibly been pleased with Okami’s staff roll being cut? I’ve long decided that the minute I can’t make games that users can say “This is fun!” towards, I would quit this job. However, until the very last second, I plan to keep the feeling in my heart that everything I do is to make the player happy.

That’s all for now!


[ 本帖最后由 爱姿病 于 2008-5-1 21:39 编辑 ]





回复列表 (23)
#2 月光狼人 2008-5-1 21:40
唉,四叶草........物是人非啊:肥雀寒:

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#3 jinwei8108 2008-5-1 21:59
capcom

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#4 火彩 2008-5-1 22:03
我觉着,写个“特别鸣谢,原四叶草成员”这样的,也不算啥吧。

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#5 爱姿病 2008-5-1 22:06
原帖由 火彩 于 2008-5-1 22:03 发表
我觉着,写个“特别鸣谢,原四叶草成员”这样的,也不算啥吧。

可是问题是现在游戏制作员名单被砍,而且游戏厂商LOGO那里也没有CLOVER。弄得游戏完全跟CLOVER一点关系都没有。。。

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#6 senna 2008-5-1 22:12
觉得做的有点绝!!!



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#7 lionheart007 2008-5-1 22:26
CAPCOM没有权使用CLOVER的LOGO?

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#8 村上春樹 2008-5-1 22:35
開發名單被刪,可能與大神WII版的開發歷程有關。

就Wikipedia上的資料,Ready At Dawn 就Capcom日方拿到的PS2 Codebase所存很有限,遊戲中有很大部分的引擎開發與特效都是從基礎重新打造起來的。

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#9 爱姿病 2008-5-1 22:51
原帖由 村上春樹 于 2008-5-1 22:35 发表
開發名單被刪,可能與大神WII版的開發歷程有關。

就Wikipedia上的資料,Ready At Dawn 就Capcom日方拿到的PS2 Codebase所存很有限,遊戲中有很大部分的引擎開發與特效都是從基礎重新打造起來的。

如果这样的话,CAPCOM为什么要在官方BBS上给出没得到授权的说法。
而且整个游戏都没有任何CLOVER相关的东西出现

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#10 Dneod 2008-5-1 23:04
原帖由 爱姿病 于 2008-5-1 22:51 发表

如果这样的话,CAPCOM为什么要在官方BBS上给出没得到授权的说法。
而且整个游戏都没有任何CLOVER相关的东西出现


:黄脸问号: 没玩过WII版 但是PS2版本里面游戏中一直有挖三叶草出来的啊 不会做的那么绝连这个都删了吧

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#11 爱姿病 2008-5-1 23:41
LS上说的四叶草吧。
这个设定倒没改。
去掉的是CLOVER的员工资料,和CLOVER的LOGO。还有CLOVER制作的结局。

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#12 fcube 2008-5-1 23:45
We also didn't have the source to the credit movie itself, so we couldn't just use it and remove the Clover logo.

因为动画里包含了CLOVER的LOGO在里面,他们已经没有权使用,然后直接去除CLOVER的LOGO又是不合法的,所以只能全部砍掉...

不是不合法,而是credit影像没源码所以改不了把;

个人认为纯粹借口,去个logo直接编辑影像也可以地,不见得非得有源码的说

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#13 Pires 2008-5-1 23:53
他们应该向se请教一下播片的心得:D

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#14 acoolbat 2008-5-2 00:34
减就减了吧,反正能玩到wii版就不错了

本人已经订了wii美版《大神》了

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#15 jinwei8108 2008-5-2 02:34
有谁试过PCSX2跑ps2版大神?

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#16 动感超人 2008-5-2 03:09
还好游戏里面还是可以挖到四叶草的,这个玩意没法改啊~:D
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#17 三派聚义 2008-5-2 09:22
怎么突然有种连日版都不想玩的感觉

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#18 爱姿病 2008-5-2 09:47
原帖由 fcube 于 2008-5-1 23:45 发表
We also didn't have the source to the credit movie itself, so we couldn't just use it and remove the Clover logo.

因为动画里包含了CLOVER的LOGO在里面,他们已经没有权使用,然后直接去除CLOVER的LOGO又是 ...

We have no legal right to use the Clover logo in a game they were not involved with directly.

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#19 长牛角 2008-5-2 09:52
这几个游戏都通过,制作人名单动画完全没印象了:肥雀寒:

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#20 爱姿病 2008-5-2 10:02
我只通了DMC。制作人名单是配合最后一次攻击那些杂兵出现的。

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#21 youngwilly 2008-5-2 13:53
WII版大神出了?

稻船和原第四开发部有矛盾呗,所以这种事情他做出来没啥奇怪



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#22 fcube 2008-5-2 21:50
原帖由 爱姿病 于 2008-5-2 09:47 发表

We have no legal right to use the Clover logo in a game they were not involved with directly.


The credits were removed because they were a pre-rendered movie that contained the Clover logo. We have no legal right to use the Clover logo in a game they were not involved with directly. We also didn't have the source to the credit movie itself, so we couldn't just use it and remove the Clover logo.

因为动画里包含了CLOVER的LOGO在里面,他们已经没有权使用,然后直接去除CLOVER的LOGO又是不合法的,所以只能全部砍掉...

请看清楚,前面翻译是对的;后面翻错了

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#23 张怡森 2008-5-3 19:35
老卡好小气......:生气:

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#24 GAYBL 2008-5-4 09:55
不好说什么。

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